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--- pathfinder:social_guidelines:aristocratic_titles [2023/12/30 22:56] – [Nobles] johnb
+++ pathfinder:social_guidelines:aristocratic_titles [2023/12/30 23:06] (current) – [Sovereigns] johnb
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 ++ Notes | These are three principalities and their areas - Monaco: 0.78sq/m, Lichtenstein: 62sq/m, Andorra: 180sq/m. While these are the three smallest Grand Duchies I found - Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach: 275sq/m, Luxembourg: 1000sq/m, Mecklenburg-Strelitz: 1000+sq/m. sq/m = Square miles. ++
-**Palatine** - Rules under a Sovereign but has some rights to impose their own laws, or may vote for election of a higher ruler.
+===== Lords Palatine =====
+Rules under a Sovereign but has some rights to impose their own laws, or may vote for election of a higher ruler.
   - Sub-King\\
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 ===== Nobles =====
-The great nobles of a sovereign state.   These titles are all hereditary and are associated with land holdings.
+Nobles are seen as the peers of their ruler -  on the same level as their sovereign -  but not quite ...   These titles are generally hereditary and are associated with land holdings.  However, all of these positions are (technically) held by permission of the sovereign and can be confiscated.  However, there is alaways a lot of politics and power required to do that - it is rarely done on a whim.
   - Royal Duke \\
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 A Royal Duke is a relation of the King or Queen (often a child or a sibling) and ranks below a sovereign or palatine Duke.  it is generally seen as inappropriate for  sovereigns to create nobles with an equal or higher level that themselves (although Sovereigns and Palatines always outrank a peer). Nobles are seen as the Sovereign's peer group, in many respects the sovereign's equals, although never quite equal.
-**Aristocrats** - The lowest ranking of the titled classes, although sensible people still call them 'My Lord'.  These might be for the holder of the title, or they might be hereditary.  While the incumbent might hold land, it is not, strictly, associated with the title.  I have used some creative licence with this section, combining titles and description from different historical periods to make a set of titles that work, but don't get confused with military titles.  As such, there is no explanation.
+===== Aristocrats =====
+The lowest ranking of the titled classes, although sensible people still call them 'My Lord'.  These might be for the holder of the title, or they might be hereditary.  While the incumbent might hold land, it is not, strictly, associated with the title.  I have used some creative licence with this section, combining titles and description from different historical periods to make a set of titles that work, but don't get confused with military titles.  As such, there is no explanation.
   - Lord - Perhaps a Lord Mayor, Lord Adviser, Lord Bishop or just a title awarded for a similar reason.  In most cases the title is not hereditary, but comes with a job or responsibility.  However, the holder is often appointed a Lord-Dominus when they retire from the post,    Lord //'Surname'// is perfectly acceptable as a title at this level.\\